Camee Adams & Marissa Coleman | Two Elite Athletes, Two Different Paths… One Truth About Success

What does it really take to reach the highest level… and stay there?

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with WNBA veteran Marissa Coleman and professional fighter Camee Adams for one of the most real conversations we’ve had about mindset, adversity, and identity.

These two athletes come from completely different paths. Marissa knew early she was destined for the WNBA and went on to build a 12-year professional career. Camee’s journey didn’t even begin until she was 26 years old, already a mother of two, stepping into a fight gym for the first time . Two different timelines, one common thread—relentless resilience.

This episode goes beyond highlights and accolades. It dives into the sacrifices people don’t see, the mental battles athletes face, and the reality of chasing greatness when the path isn’t clear. From missing holidays and navigating life overseas to fighting through personal trauma and rediscovering purpose, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it really means to grow through adversity.

For young athletes, parents, and coaches, this is a powerful reminder that success isn’t just about talent or opportunity. It’s about adaptability, discipline, self-awareness, and the willingness to do the work—especially when no one is watching.

If you’re trying to figure out your path, or help someone else find theirs, this episode will challenge the way you think about performance and what truly drives it.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

We're here at PAX, Pro Athletes community here in Arizona. And I get a chance to sit down with some phenomenal females here that have done this sport at the highs of the high. And so I'm Chris Spencer, your host. I'm excited to have you guys.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

Thanks for having us. Yeah, we're excited to be here.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Absolutely. So I got I'm joined here with Cammy, Cammy Adams and uh Marissa. I mean, when you talk about two opposite ends of the spectrum, a WMB, WNBA player and then also a um a fighter. Professional fighter. Professional fighter. I mean, I'm kind of getting a little nervous, um, especially with the conversation we were having beforehand on you know some of the things that we'll get into. But um before we get into all that, um Marissa, I want to go back to when did you know that you belong in the WMBA?

SPEAKER_02 0:50

It was from a very early age. I want to say, like, probably like seventh, eighth grade was like the indications of when I made varsity in seventh grade, I think the indications were there that you know I was gonna have the opportunity to play at the next level. Um, the WNBA was pretty early then in, you know, in its inception. So was fortunate at that time that I had WNBA players to look up to and you know, yeah, that I had the opportunity to play professionally. Um, it was it was exciting versus you know, I think the players in the past they had to look up to the NBA guys because they didn't have a uh professional league to aspire to play in.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Yeah, that's pretty awesome to know that early. That's pretty awesome. Um, Cammy, when you think about fighting, you know, when did you know that your life was headed in that direction to be a a uh professional fighter? Um, you know, when you think about upbringing and young women fighting, um, for me, it just it's it's foreign. Um, so when did you know that that was what you wanted to do in life?

SPEAKER_00 1:48

So mine is actually the exact opposite. I actually didn't start training until I was 26. I was a mom. I had already had two kids. I was living the mom life. I had some two really hard experiences happen, and I just started taking kickboxing classes. I was a previous athlete. I started as a gymnast, always playing sports. So I was athletic, and then I went into this fitness kick fitness kickboxing class and just was like an animal. And I'm like, you know, I kind of like this. And so I found a fight gym, and they're like, oh, you you can fight. Do you want to start taking fights? And I was like, Down, yeah, let's do it. So I didn't even start until I was 26. But the course of that, like you said, female fighting, they're like, there wasn't a lane for it. Like Rhonda Rousey had just come on, Misha Tate, Holly, like these girls had just started creating this lane. So if I would have started any earlier, there wouldn't have been a path. So it's one of those really unique, aligned experiences that just fell into my lap and I went with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. And internally, you know, what did that moment feel like after you know being an early, early mom, working your way through that, and then all of a sudden now you're, you know, I'm in here training to go do this professionally. What was that internal feeling?

SPEAKER_00 3:05

I think it was excitement. You know, earlier we were talking about like having a relationship and kids and being a parent or um a spouse, and that was really the first time that I had something just for me that I could focus on. So internally, it was really motivating to show up at the gym, train really hard, have something that I could focus on. That was also making me a better mom and a better person, and then I would go home and just be a regular mom and do my things. But internally, there was just a fire that I I knew I was supposed to do something more other than just be in this really shitty situation that I was in. And I literally fought my way out of that. And so it was just fueled to my fire to keep moving forward in life.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Yeah, absolutely. Now, Marissa, you talked about the um, you know, knowing early on in the WM that you wanted to play in the WMBA, and there was starting to become a group of women who that you can look up to to do that, you know. The moment that you arrived there after playing at Maryland, how did you feel internally about hey, I I've arrived? Because I think that's an important question I want to ask around that. Once you answer that for me, it was a great feeling.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

I think it hit me at the draft. Um there going into the draft, I knew I was either gonna be the one or their two-pick. Um, I wanted to be the two-pick. People are like, why? Because I was getting drafted to my hometown team. So thought it'd be an amazing story. I went to University of Maryland, won a national championship there, then to get drafted to my hometown team. So I remember hearing my name call and sharing that moment with my mom, my dad, my brother, which, you know, that moment was just as much theirs as it was mine. Um, so that was like the moment where all the hard work, all the sacrifices, like it was like a rush of emotion. And then I think, you know, my first couple games getting to play against legends in this game, my my second game in the league was against the uh Detroit shots. I played against Katie Smith and Deanna Nolan. And Katie Smith, like, was my welcome to the WNBA moment where you know I drove the ball and ran into a brick wall. Um, and then getting to play against Phoenix and Diana Tarasi, she was somebody that I idolized growing up. So that, and then getting drafted to DC, playing with Elena Beard, who's now one of my closest friends in this in this world. Um, she played at Duke, idolized her as well. So just really cool when your idols become your rivals that you know, that that's cliche same, but um just a lot of fun. And again, just the hard work, seeing it pay off and come to fruition.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Now, I the question I have around that is like when you think about young athletes, they only think about getting there. You know, my goal is to get to the NFL or get to the WNBA or get to a professional fighter. You know, did you early on have that thought of I don't want to just get there, I want to be the best, and I want to have a plan of how do I become the best at what I'm doing. Did you have that thought early on as well?

SPEAKER_02 5:51

I did. I was 12 when I wrote my dad a letter that I wanted to be the best women's basketball player ever. And I wanted to go at the time I wanted to go to the University of Tennessee and play with Pat play for Pat Summit. That was the pinnacle of women's basketball at the time. So I left the letter on his bed, and um I didn't hear, like, he didn't say anything for a couple of days. So I'm just like, okay, maybe like what's going on? Then he sat me down basically and was just like, do you understand what it's gonna take? Like, your mother and I will help you get there, but do you understand the sacrifices and the hard work that it's gonna take? I'm 12 at the time, so I didn't really know what it meant, but I knew this is what I wanted. Um, so I just feel very fortunate that I came from a family that put their all into helping me achieve um my dreams.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, I would guess to give you the same question is you know, as you now coming on the scene as a later, you know, professional athlete, you know, did you have a plan to stay in it, or was it just I just gotta get my foot in the door?

SPEAKER_00 6:50

I wouldn't say there was a plan. There was an internal drive that I knew I was supposed to be there and that I could fight at that level. I kind of had the again the complete opposite of my family's like, what are you doing? Like, I am a mom, why are you fighting? This is crazy. They didn't understand it. They were very loving and supportive, but finding a general support that a lot of people don't understand, especially when it wasn't as big as it is now. Right. There there really wasn't a huge lane. And so although although they were like loving and kind, it was still always kind of a fight. Like, what are you doing? Like, please just like go to college or like do something else, which I eventually did, but fighting was that thing that was saving me, and I knew I could get there, I wanted to get there, like with any sport, you know, once you keep raising the level, like the athletes get better and you have to work harder. And so I probably knew like being a champion like wasn't gonna be in my playbook, but that's fine, you know. Like I was fighting for me and I was fighting for everything that I knew that I could be.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Yeah. And we and when you look back to that moment, you know, was it, you know, you have people telling you you couldn't do it, you know, but for yourself, I'm pretty sure it has takes a lot of discipline, a lot of resilience to actually really get to that level. You know, when you when you look back at that moment, you know, what are those pieces of from intangibles that stand out for you that that got you to to say, hey, I'm committed to it, I'm gonna stick with it.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

If you hear any of my work and hear what I talk about, I talk about the four forms of resilience. And to be a fighter, I would say is to be resilient. But there's four different kinds of resilience. Like, I don't think people understand how spiritual fighting is. Like, you were putting your whole soul out there every single fight, show up and get your ass kicked, every training session. So it's much more spiritual than I think people realize. So I had to go through the spiritual resilience process, an emotional resilience process of people not supporting me, but knowing like I'm supposed to do this, I can do this. Obviously, physical resilience, I had to get stronger, like get my ass whobbed all the time, but it's like it is what it is. And then mental resilience, I would say, is probably one of the uh attributes or forms of resilience that I really had to work on. I knew I could get there, but just continuing to stay focused and, like you said, disciplined and resilient that I could keep doing this. Um, you know, a unique experience with this is I have lost a brother to suicide. So mental health and being mentally uh resilient was a huge way for me to just prove that you can heal, you can move forward, you can overcome whatever you're overcoming within your mind. And that kind of became a big point for me just to talk about that and really grow that conversation of mental health in sports, especially within fighting when everyone thinks fighters are destructible and they don't think that they don't struggle. Um, so there was a lot that went in it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Well, and it's it's so cool to talk to athletes who come in from trying to approach the same, the same thing around mental health from different angles, you know, the work that I'm doing with the intangible podcast is is bringing the light of like how do I become self-aware about my intangibles? Because if I truly understand my intangibles, then I can make transitions to different environments a lot smoother. Doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, but it means that I when I understand what my composure is. So when I walk into a a um a room where people tell me what I can't do, then I know how to keep my composure and know how to work around it. And so I think it's it's really awesome to hear that you know that that's been your focus because they do they don't people don't see the human inside of us, you know, and so that's a that's the purpose of being able to share these stories. And so, which takes me to kind of going back to some of the upbringing, you know. I want to go back a little bit, you know, Marissa, to your upbringing. You know, how did you grow up and what was that thing that that extra spark that put that drive in you to actually to want to compete at that level?

SPEAKER_02 10:43

I mean, I grew up in a very competitive household to the point that my brother and I were banned from doing anything competitive against each other because they would always end up in a fight. My brother's four years younger than me. Um, both of my parents had athletic backgrounds. We were just put into sports at a very early age. Basketball stuck for me, football for my brother. Um, but I just always go back to because like as I continue this journey, um it's just access and opportunity and like a support system are such major drivers in success. And I just feel so fortunate that I had that. I had parents that made sure I was on the best teams and the best schools, that I had all the travel, all the travel, and like now being a real adult, I'm like, man, I I I understand some things now. I understand why you wanted me to order up the kids' menu because it's expensive. Just like get water, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

That is that is so real right now with three kids and travel sports. That is so real. You don't need to order a fillet right now.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Yeah, I understand it now. Like all the travel, the time, the sacrifices, like their weekends were dedicated to to our athletics. So just and grew up in a very supportive household. Like, you know, I always tell my my brother, I know it wasn't easy for him for being four years younger, being a great athlete in his own right, but kind of being in my shadow at times. But he's still he's my number one fan. You know, like when we won the national championship, they pay into the crowd, and like you can see him like leading the the crowd in the chanting. So um just feel very fortunate for that upbringing and to come from you know a household that I could have wanted to be an astronaut and they would have found a way to make that happen.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

That's that's amazing. And so from your upbringing, you know, what was it? Was it a competitive household or was it something that yeah?

SPEAKER_00 12:28

My uh parents were both athletic. My dad was a quarterback in college, so athletics was just what we did as a family. Um, my sister played soccer and basketball, I played soccer, basketball, volleyball, my younger brother played baseball, football, and basketball. So sports were just like what we did all the time. So being competitive was built in, but learning the other attributes of being an athlete was something that I had to learn to continue to keep going, you know, at a higher level.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah, no, it's it's I always I love kind of going back to those stories because the competitive nature is built somewhere. And if you don't have a foundation of like especially early on, where the brain is really developing, then where does it come from? And so I always believe that that foundation that comes back in those early childhood days where you had to be forced to go outside and or like dad never letting us win, like we'd play cards and he wouldn't let us win.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

It would be a board game and like he wouldn't let us win. So like we beat my dad, it was a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

I don't know if you're found. No, the same. Yeah, never never let him win. Yeah. Participation trophies, we're not allowed in the like nope, you're not my dad, still to this day. Like, why should I reward you for something that you're supposed to do? Like, I remember coming home with great report cards, like expecting to get money, and he's just like, Why should I retort reward you for doing what you're supposed to do? Like, this is what you're supposed to do. Um, so yeah, that that's definitely stuck with me.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Yeah, absolutely. Well, when I think about athletes and think about the adversity, you both are faced adversity in different different ways, you know. And so from Marissa, from your standpoint, um the adversity of staying in the in the WMBA for 12 years, knowing when there's nothing guaranteed, and knowing that also the foundation that you guys just laid to get these new deals and things like that in place. Like, you know, tell me a little bit about some of that challenge for you.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

It makes me feel a little old because somebody the other day called me a pioneer. I'm like, wait, wait, wait. I haven't even hit 40 yet. Like, like, like I got one one more year in my 30s. Like, no, but it's awesome to see to see the growth of the league. And, you know, some of the adversities that you were alluding to, like the offseason, having to go play abroad in Europe or Asia, great experience. And I wouldn't go back and change that because I think it's definitely shaped who I'm as a who I am as a person in my worldview. Yeah, but it's tough when I missed eight Christmases in a row, I missed eight Thanksgivings. I'm like milestones that you kind of take for granted when you're in it. I miss those things. Um, so like that was that was adverse. I when I was playing in France in the offseason when my mom passed, like suddenly passed away. So, like things like that that like removed from the sports, like you don't think of it as adversity in the moment, but now being retired and looking back, like some friends and I were like, like, we really lived abroad and like just got dropped off into countries and random cities and just we're told to figure it out. Like, that's kind of insane. Like, kind of insane when you look back and think about it.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Think about all the growth you had there and learning how to navigate in places you have probably don't even speak the language. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Like, that's why I'm so grateful for it because I think you can drop me in any room on the planet and I'll be able to adapt because of that. Like, I've played in Turkey, I've played in South Korea, France, Italy, Spain, like Russia, all these places where I didn't know the language, and I'm just kind of be sent left there to figure it all out.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Yeah, that's that's pretty cool though. It's it's fun being having these kind of conversations with athletes who played all different places, especially playing in the NFL where it's just like you know where you're going, here's where you're gonna be, and then you get home, and then it's it. So um sounds like a really fun experience to be able to live so live that way. Um now, Cammy, when I think about, you know, from uh adversity and the things that you've had to with challenges in your life and trauma, um, how did that that adversity shape your your life?

SPEAKER_00 16:15

I think it has helped shaped shape my life in knowing that you can go through these difficult experiences and still succeed. Healing is possible, you're not stuck in trauma, but you do have to do your part to keep moving forward and do the work, you know, to be well. And I think that was a huge piece that I recognized was I need to take care of my own mental health, I need to take care of my own emotional health, my own overall well-being if I wanted to keep going. Because I am a fighter, I'm strong. I will fight through anything, but that doesn't mean that I'm well. And so I I think just a big piece was understanding that adversity really is there to help move you forward and help shape and grow you as a person if you let it. You know, it can destroy your whole life, or you can let it um shape you and continue to help you move forward and be this whole vibrant, beautiful person that we're all meant to be. We're all gonna experience trauma. It's just what are you doing with it?

SPEAKER_01 17:14

What you do with it? What you do with it. No, that's awesome. Um you know, it's it's when we talk about trauma, it's taken me, you know, 30-something years to really like understand what is trauma and you know, the micro-traumas. And because you always think about trauma as like these big, massive events, but there's so many micro traumas that that goes along the way, uh, especially with a guy. I was diagnosed with dyslexia as a kid. And so like I didn't realize like how I navigated that space. There was a lot of trauma in there, you know, for it. And so it's been fun really to lean into that and learn more about what the what trauma and how it really sets you up for you know failure if you allow it. You know, and so um good for you to work through all of those pieces and have the right mindset. It's all about the mindset, you know, to navigate and work through it. So now when I think about the uh performance versus identity, you know, how did you separate the how did you separate the two and not get wrapped up in, you know, your what you did as your identity?

SPEAKER_00 18:16

I think it's a little different with fighting because it is such an independent sport and fighters identify as being fighters. I don't know if that's just kind of like built into us because we will go and fight, but as I've kind of moved on to other things, I can see how having to create a fighter's mindset maybe put more of like a shield against me. So I've learned to soften and be more open to people instead of just kind of showing up like with a tough exterior. I think in general, people don't expect me to fight, so I probably am more open and warm and friendly than people expect me to be, but I I still have had to work on softening and not just biting everything. I don't know. That's a good question. I'll have to think about it.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

How would you answer that question?

SPEAKER_02 19:12

I think sometimes like the society tells us that we shouldn't identify who we are as athletes. I don't think there's anything wrong with identifying as a football player, a fighter, or a basketball player. Like, that's what we put blood, sweat, and tears and made the sacrifice for. Like, that was my ultimate dream to be a professional basketball player. Um, I just think like that's just not there's many facets to to Marissa, the basketball player. That's not all who I am. There's a lot of other things around that, but I think it's okay, like, especially during your career. Like, yeah, I'm I was a professional bat, like there should be pride in that. Um, it's just, I think society tries to put you in this box and say, like, that's all you can be, where it's like that whole more than an athlete thing. Like, yeah, that's my identity, but I'm way more than an athlete.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

It's just a part, it's a part of you, but it's still you, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Well, and it's important for athletes to understand that don't allow society to put you in that box because boxes are what you put things in, not humans. I actually heard that earlier today, so I stole it.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

You should have just ran with it, that was yours.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

But it's it's important as athletes to understand who you are as a human. Again, being self-aware, self-awareness takes you a long way when you understand how you transition to different environments. And so, speaking of the transition, now I'm gonna like to talk a little bit about what you guys are doing today. And so um, making a transition out of sport is not easy. You've spent so much of your life doing one thing. Marissa and I'll start with you. You know, 12 years, that's a long career, long, wonderful career. Now, making that transition out and and trying to figure out what is the next step, you know, what was that transition like for you? But then also, um, what are you doing now that that um feeds that that that same kind of hunger and drive that you had when you was playing?

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Um, yeah, I mean, I knew very early on, like basketball, business, and entrepreneurship was something that I was passionate about. Um, so during my career, I just made sure that I was seeking out opportunities in those arenas and trying to network the best I could. In 2016, I franchised out a Mellow Mushroom restaurant um with one of my college teammates, dad, and then my best friend Elena Beards who did that. I've done work in the venture capital space. Um, but currently I lead VIP strategy and growth for underdog sports bedding company, um, which is like crazy because not necessarily where I saw the transition going, like when you're told as actually stay as far away from betting as possible. And now being so immersed in that space. Um, but yeah, I just knew very early on, like I have a strong business acumen. It's something that brings me passion and joy. I like building. Um, so it's exciting. And as far as like the competitive edge, I golf a lot now. I've played a lot of golf, so that um here's that competitive itch. I got asked recently, like, why do I think so many retired athletes play golf? And I look at it, it's like it's now something else to try to master. Like, we've all mastered. Our craft and got to the highest level, and that journey, you don't understand it unless you're in it, like what how that feels. So I look at golf that way. It's like, okay, now this is something else that I can kind of go on this journey. It's a very humbling journey, nonetheless, but it's it's a funnel.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Hey, I've taken an easier route of mastery. Um, you know, with all the injuries that I've had, even playing golf 18 holes, my back hurts, my neck hurts. And so I started trying to master all the intricacies of cigars and bourbon.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

That's a good lane, too.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

If you don't crash, be chill, chill, relax. Uh, so cam, I know you're still fighting, um, but you also have that this growth mindset. You know, how are you thinking about that transition and the things that you want to do beyond beyond your fighting days?

SPEAKER_00 22:47

So I'm not sure if I'll I'm staying in fighting. I'm deciding like if I'll take more fights or not, but I'm still in combat sports uh with power slap.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Let's let's pause. Let's pause. We had this conversation earlier. What is power slap?

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Exactly what it is. A power slap. So it's a combat sport where you stand and slap people. It's relatively new, it's something the UFC owns. They're creating more of a league out of it now. So that is one way that I will stay in combat sports, but I do have other things happening.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Um I told her early, I'm a pansy. There's no way I can stand there and just take it. Just take one. No chance. Uh, there's not a chance.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

I never throw it a pun, so I'm just like so so so you're still trying to figure out what you're gonna do there, but how are you thinking about that transition?

SPEAKER_00 23:38

The thing with fighting was I was also still a mom and a parent, so I was always working on other things. I have gone back to school. I am working on a mental health degree, I'll be done in May, but I've written two books and I came up with a modality around resilience. It's called the Four Forms of Resilience. So, what I call myself is a resilience educator. Um, and I've broken resilience down into those four forms to really deep dive into it and help people, athletes, humans, whoever is going through what I call a resilience process. So I'm not a coach, it is an educational space where you can sign up for the sports, you can uh buy my books, or you can come to one of my modalities, which is called mindful mit work, where I've just taken Mitwork and yoga and put them together for an experience to help you work through life.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

That's awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

That's what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Yeah, that's that's fun. See, again, for athletes thinking that you you can't start thinking about what it looks like outside of the game. You can while you're still in the mix of doing what you're doing. You know, being able to, I wouldn't say compartmentalize, but being able to separate the two of like having some ideas and some thoughts and conversations because they're very important to getting that that started quickly. So you're not waiting and laying on the couch for two months, maybe a year, um, trying to figure it out. So that's awesome. Well, as we start to wrap up here, I got a couple more questions for you. I would start with you, Marissa. If you had to go back and talk to your younger self, 15, 14, 15 year old, right at that transition where you're you know figuring out life. If you had to go back and talk to her, what would you say to her?

SPEAKER_02 25:13

I think I would say enjoy enjoy the journey a little bit more. Because being removed from it now, when people ask me what I miss the most, I say the journey. I miss getting up at 6 a.m. and working out. Like I miss those things, but when you're in it, you're so laser focused on the goal, right? So while you're in the gym, you're laser focused on working out. Uh, you're working, you know, laser focused on winning championships and getting better. I wish I would have like and not to say I didn't enjoy it, but just like bet in a moment a little more instead of it was very much I'm doing this for this purpose versus like enjoy this, right? Like savor it because it does go way quicker than you think it is. Like, I'm like, man, I've been I played 12 years, I've been retired for five. Like, it's insane how time flies.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yeah. Um, last question for you. I would like for you to give me a couple intangibles that's made you who you are today.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

A couple intangibles that made me who I am today. I think my ability to adapt to any environment, adaptability, um, and my loyalty. I think loyalty can be uh uh intangible. I'm a very loyal person, sometimes by fault, but I think I like to lead genuinely, and if I you have my loyalty, you have it. So I think those two things.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Yeah, it's awesome. Cammy, we're in with you here. If you had to go back and talk to your younger self, your younger 14, 15-year-old self, what would you say to her?

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Not doubt myself. I feel like when you know you're supposed to do something that not everybody is doing, you just have to believe in yourself. Like you, I feel like when you know, you know. And usually there is a lot of people that are gonna try and convince you otherwise. But I knew that I was supposed to do something different, and I continue to walk that walk. So trust yourself.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Trust yourself. And last one, you think about the intangibles, you think about your life, your journey, you know, what intangible has made you who you are today.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Willing to do the work. Um in whatever situation that was, you know, willing to do the work and healing myself, willing to put in the work to be an athlete, willing to do the work to be a mom. So just willing to do the work. A lot of people shy away from just like getting in there and working. Anything you want to do, you're gonna have to work.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Larissa, Cammy, thank you guys so much for joining me today on Intangible Podcast. This has been awesome. Um, can't wait to share your story. Uh I want to give a big thanks to the PAX community allowing us and allowing me the opportunity to be able to have this conversation with you guys because otherwise I would have never met you. And so I'm excited to follow your story. Uh, look forward to all the success. And um, you gotta you got an ultimate cheerleader here and me. So uh thank you guys for joining me. Thanks for having me. Absolutely.